How wake the Samson Conspiracy from Vegas Mode

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    Esoterra23

    The flashing lights might have looked cool for a trade show, but does Samson honestly think that musicians would want to have to "wake up" their controller just to use it, especially during a live performance?  Nobody wants to start playing pads only to realize that they forgot to hit STOP first.  The ability to "lock out" your equipment might be a nice feature, but not if it automatically invokes by itself like a screensaver.  Please consider making Vegas Mode an OPTIONAL mode in the future.

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    Aplweb

    Totally agree with Esoterra23.  Very lame that I have to wake the controller up every time I want to use it.  How can we turn this feature off?  If we can't please create a fix.  

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    Steven Caldwell

    I would like to either disable Vegas mode completely or to have a way to keep it from turning on by send it MIDI.  I tried sending MIDI notes at 10 second intervals but it still keeps going into Vegas mode if I don't touch a button or knob for 5 minutes.

     

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    Aplweb

    Good luck getting anywhere with anyone in support.  They sent me a whole new conspiracy and told me to reinstall the firmware because the "new" firmware doesn't have the 5 minute issue.  They were wrong.  Wasted my money sending the first one back because I have the same issue with the second one.  Really, I spoke with 4 or 5 of the people just to confirm what they were saying was accurate and all of them gave me the same bad info.

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    Steven Caldwell

    I wish I had never "upgraded" the firmware. I wonder if I can downgrade it to an earlier version before they implemented Vegas mode.  Very frustrating.  It wouldn't be as bad if when it exited Vegas mode, the lights would return to where it was before it timed out.

     

    BTW I found out how to turn on and off the LED's remotely quite by accident. It is not documented anywhere that I could find.

     

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    Aplweb

    I was thinking the same thing and probably wouldn't have updated the firmware, but the second conspiracy I received didn't work with Windows Conspiracy Editor without upgrading the firmware.  I was also given incorrect information form Samson's tech support who just flat out told me that the Window's Conspiracy Editor doesn't work anymore.  I found that nearly impossible to believe.  Hence, I ask 4 or 5 different staff about the safety of the firmware upgrade with regard to not creating a 5 minute timeout system within conspiracy.  Approximately 5 of their staff made this assurance to me.  All were wrong.  Now I'm stuck with the 5 minute timeout again.  Waste my time, energy and money getting the second Conspiracy.  

     

    How did you find out how to turn off the LED?

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    Steven Caldwell

    I bought mine for $25USD on eBay so I'm OK with my investment.

    I found about LED quite by accident.

    Send MIDI note on Message MIDI channel 1 to first pad is note 0. Pads on 0-24 and go up from there for the buttons.

    RGB pads do velocity 0 for off 1 for red 2 for blue and 3 for green.

    RG buttons are red and green only.

    Other buttons are 1 for on and 0 for off;

    Of course if your unit goes into Vegas mode, all button and pad light information is lost which is why I want to disable it.

    Tried sending note information at 10 second intervals to keep it from going to vegas mode but that didn't work. Even with MIDI coming in it considers itself idle unless you physically touch a control.

     

     

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    Aplweb

    Oh, so you have the LEDs turned off all the time, except for Vegas mode, right?   I was thinking you found a way to turn off Vegas mode.  

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    Steven Caldwell

    Nope,

     

    I send LED information as it is running but when Vegas mode kicks in, screws things up. The LED message I send still make it thought but then every time Vegas mode changes an LED it overrides what I just sent. I was hoping sending LED information via MIDI consistently would stop it from going into Vegas mode.

     

     

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    Esoterra23

    I’m not sure if this helps, but early on, I posted a complaint about Vegas mode, wanting it removed from the next firmware. Back in August, James J at Samson Technologies sent me a firmware update zip file titled “SamsonPad_UP_V1.0.1.5_161205A.zip” which doesn’t use Vegas standby mode. I’m not sure if that firmware would resolve your complaints, but it worked great for me. Perhaps you can reach out to James J. If not, I probably still have the zip file archived on my computer.

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    Steven Caldwell

    Yes, could you please send me the zip file if we don't hear back from Samson Tech in the next week or so.

    I'm not sure if it will break anything else but if it does, I could always got back to the latest update with Vegas mode again and I would be no worse off than I am now.

     

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    Esoterra23

    I am away from my PC right now, but if you post your email address, I will let you know either way if I still have the zip...I will check tonight.

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    Steven Caldwell

    The link still works. Thanks. I'll give it a try later tonight.

     

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    Aplweb

    Thank you very much Esoterra23.  That fixed the problem for me.  

    Update: Spoke to soon.  What I expected.  They didn't fix this issue with the original Firmware where we can't use Conspiracy Editor to upload/download.  That was fixed in the Vegas Firmware update.  What they did with the Firmware update that you have above is just rolled back to the original firmware.  Hence, the same original problem of not being able to upload/download using Conspiracy Editor returned.  I guess the only answer is to go back and forth between the firmware, if that is even an option.  I'll test it to see.  

    Workaround:  You can go back and reinstall the VEGAS firmware upgrade to use Conspiracy Editor to upload/download and then install the above link to shut off VEGAS mode.  You can keep going back and forth between firmwares.  

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    Esoterra23

    Wow that’s ridiculous! Samson needs to step up and offer some support here. Thank you Aplweb for posting your findings.

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    Steven Caldwell

    This worked for me as well. Thank you so much Esoterra23! And I can still send note values to light up the lights as I indicated above.

    The note values for each light is shown below.

     

    Note velocities are as follows:

    For 3 color LEDs (Pad)  0=Off 1=Red 2=Green 3=Blue 8=Yellow 25=Purple 26=Cyan 27=White

    For 2 color LEDs 0=Off 1=Red 2=Green 8=Yellow

    For 1 color LEDs 0=Off  1=On (Blue)

     

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